But at the end of the day it is what people are prepared to pay and market forces over a period of time will decide. 2. Re: luxury item vs. a cold value judgment . But even here the price tag was too high. I wish the record label Gods would put Ian Anderso in charge of all releases It’s semi-irrelevant because the point was that mark-up is acceptable in fashion retail doesn’t work in music. If the artist wrote & performed the material they will receive about $3.16 (16%). You get more music for the money. Some of the best recent U2 releases have been through the fanclub, the cds, the books, the vinyls, the worst being the lithographs (posh name for a poster) and the metal membership keyring. If they spent any time listening to their customers they’d stop brickwalling their CD’s. I do admit that it’s got to the point that if I am reading SDE, watching an unboxing or have my Amazon pages open and I hear the Mrs. coming upstairs I have been tempted to either quickly turn the screen off or open up xvideos and stick some porn on. However I had my Stage vinyl out a couple of weeks ago and was thinking about buying a second hand cd copy of the 2005 remaster, most sellers want around a tenner, when Paul posts that the 2017 remaster from the box is available separately! If you are prepared to wait you are very likely to get a cheaper deal. I paid £47 for it last week and at that price I feel I have got value for money, but if I had paid £80 for it I wouldn’t have been so happy. The only bulky item they have is the boxset with the vinyl of the albums put together. In this Our Changing Climate environmental video essay, I look at why Fjällräven is so expensive. Cover artwork: selected by Phil Jones and generously given for free by the artist Buying an instruments even musical devices such as audio interfaces, Amps, Effects, And more are so damn expensive. If it’s expensive, I will wait for the price to drop…if it doesn’t and my personal want did not go down but UP, I will pay. And there’s the rub. They are also all-in-one software packages that have many inbuilt features. If this were a one off reissue where you get everything and it isn’t reissued yet again with additional content (de-valuing what was once seen as collector’s item before), I think folks would be less upset about this stuff. Vinyl comes in different sizes mainly based on how much music is contained on the record. Yes will wait for the RM set to drop around £50 and I think most of the issues around the Macca set were they not around what was included and the formatting for the price? You may say “X album was recorded years ago, there are no artist advances to pay!” but that is not necessarily the truth. A case-in-point is the new Queen “News of the World” box set. Unless my tired eyes are failing me? It hasn’t gotten cheaper to make these things, people (research, mastering, manufacturing, above-referenced advances, etc). Why is it that you can have groups like Jethro Tull and record companies like Chrysalis/Parlophone that offer 2 CD/2 DVD, a 90 page booklet, a Bluray and a whole explanation on the process on the making of a reissue of an album from their catalog for under 40.00 pounds or 50.00 Canadian…. From experience I can say that I have NEVER listened to the entire content of a box set and I have plenty of those. I wouldn’t doubt that the McCartney reissues suffer from an abundance of consultants as well. Now if your name if David Bowie the artist share will increase dramatically and if we have never heard of you, it would be pure luck to get this level of revenue sharing. I’m sure if they’d issued this as a neat little box with the discs and a booklet for a reasonable price they’d have sold loads and made more profit than they will from this aspirationally priced Roxy Boxy. But doesnt this use the 1999 bob Ludwig remaster? I try to be canny in buying, not to spend less but to get more. Ten years ago we had those Genesis career box sets – yes the mastering was cr*p but look what you got -Hi res SACD and DVD of the 5.1 mixes, new stereo mixes, promo videos, a 20-30 minute documentary on EACH album, period concert footage of the band, a book. The two CD is there for those that don’t want to get involved in higher priced items. I’m glad box sets are produced for those that can afford them, ( imagine the conversation that might follow ” Sorry, no family holiday this year I just bought 3 Bowie vinyl box sets”) because it means some of that content will filter down at lower price points, and it really is the music I want rather than nice extras. Yet in less than ten years, both had issued multi disc versions of the albums I suggested issuing in these formats. Saturday Deluxe / 29 December 2018 | superdeluxeedition, Saturday Deluxe / 5 May 2018 | superdeluxeedition, http://store.totoofficial.com/music/box-sets/signed-limited-edition-toto-box-set.html, https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/steven-wilson-new-album-to-the-bone/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption, http://img5.zozo.jp/goodsimages/532/3310532/3310532_1_D_500.jpg, What Brexit means for physical music fans in the UK and the EU, Gene’s Rising For Sunset reissued on 2LP 180g black vinyl, Classix Nouveaux / The Liberty Recordings 1981-1983, The Band / Stage Fright 50th anniversary reissue. If I can’t afford it, then you can’t have it. But to do none of that risks alienating the few remaining fans of deluxe physical product, and that’s a far more dangerous game for labels to play than “how much can we get for this?”. But for the vast majority of their target audience, they realize that this proposition is false, so instead, we default to traditional, economic-based evaluations of the products on offer. So, after 30 u2 gigs, i will be missing this tour, but i also haven’t bought the Uber deluxe Achtung Baby, The Live in Paris Blu Ray/DVD Box set, plus i waited for a price drop for the Joshua Tree 30th Anniv. Joined: Aug 18, 2012 Messages: 276. Fifth & Sixth form for me was the place to express ones “coolness” (hah!) Finally, the industry sees the market where I am. I love box sets if they are priced fairly. It includes loads of unreleased stuff, original demos… a 5.1 remix by Steven Wilson.”. What is the difference between and 18 and 30 note? For example, I downloaded an album from ITunes last weekend for … What if I need to cancel or return my order? Why will a casual fan pay £200 to go an see U2 live, while a diehard fan will think the same kind of money for the massive limited UBER deluxe edition of Achtung Baby is a ‘rip off’ – a blatant example of profiteering from the record company? Whoa, why are records in all these different sizes and RPMs? That is a great post, Paul, very thought provoking. Indeed…I think I made that point to PG at the time. So, I say box sets are a luxury item. bananarama “in a bunch” There are different presentations for different type of collectors and, instead, this seems compromised in many, many ways. Bangladesh for instance 40 American cents per hour / shift work rate . The recent Purple Rain set was a great value, likewise they could have made a limited amount that had a hardbound book and photo prints etc and charged $120 and that would have sold out as well. Since usually, you can’t get them anywhere else. The initial pricing of Def Leppards Hysteria on orange vinyl was about £24 but you’re lucky if you see one on EBay for less than £80! We do offer the ability to facilitate having a custom mechanical movement created for you. A (very) brief breakdown of the economics of physical releases follows. Part of the issue is that, except for the truly limited edition items, you know you will be able to buy it for half the price in 6 months. Why Is Hi – Fi So Expensive? Nearly once I’d guess. 4) What is it worth TO YOU? You don’t take it to a dinner party and enjoy seeing people glancing at it like you might do with a nice watch, or impress your mates at the golf club when you pull up in a new car. Perhaps aimed at those who like to flash their Rolex watch at dinner parties, they can now flash their tickets! Nobody ever said “I really love ‘Automatic For The People’ – I think I might go out and blow 80 quid on the box set version”. We do this through our unique custom digital module. Cmon Record Companies give us what we want at a fair price and we will buy. A-ha had a great book with ‘Hunting High and Low’, so did Human League with the anthology, and the art book for Kraftwerk. Sorry, the Roxy set is strictly value for price for me. I am currently listening to the Once Upon a Time box set I had to purchase from uDiscover UK. This is luxery in a double sense, I have money I don’t need for living and I spend it for something unnecessary. However, I do think about when it’s time to get rid of all this stuff, who is going to want it and will it just end up in a landfill? Oh my God! :(. It’s why I gave on sky tv, 500 channels of tut, is less appealing than 20 good ones. People want first pressings because that is generally what the artist intended it to sound like at the time – they may change their mind in 30 years, but the audience isn’t interested in the rewriting of history, they want the work as it was even with it’s flaws. The digital module can pretty much play anything that can be recorded. If I have my own box, can I send it to you to put the music in? To get this to market has taken dozens of people a long time, it doesn’t just magic it’s way into the shrink-wrap for a tenner. Box Sets on the other hand have a better foot print in manufacture with less Ego. SDE’s for me are a way of chasing audio holy grails – rarities, b sides, a way to replicate original vinyl mastering on CD…. There is a problem with my order, what should I do? Record companies KNOW the loyalties of fans ‘of a certain age’ to the acts they love – I KNOW the Led Zeppelin boxsets were expensive for what they actually contained in terms of new, good music. But I don’t want to be forced to do so. include a book, cd’s, 5.1 mix and vinyl n order to present all of the ways the music can be listened to (please don’t start on cassettes and reel-to-reel tapes). Thanks, Colin and Paul. I’d love to see “So” on multi-hybrid 5.1 SACD. Yes. This means that the consumer has a feel for the “correct” price. I do enjoy the books and extra packaging but I do need to put the brakes on some of these things. Excellent example of what not to do was the George film by Scorsese – giant box, book is nice but of the 4 discs inside all I need is the bluray and the CD with the demos – so, the book (much slimmer than the box) is on a bookshelf, the two discs I play sometimes are in slimcases (you know those half-width jewel cases you buy 100 in a box and take up half the space) and the actual box is in storage never to be seen. We have music boxes that range from $30 - $10,000. I think the reason for massive price hikes in ticket prices that gets everyone’s goat is two fold and probably obvious to all. And I know others of the same opinion. I read an article from Cherry Red records who state that major labels are more than happy to license out material to third parties that the majors don’t see a profit margin in. 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